Curse

just rude · Apr 08, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

(Was origianally title BB over DH why?)
I wasn't sure where to put this since it was mainly a HA observation.

Anyway, I dont understand why ppl run a bb combo over a dev ham combo. I see alot of smart team running build like TF, BB->Cr Bl-> Ir Bl-> Ham Bash.

the combo yields, with ss gaunts:
I loged on so i am taking lvl 12 dmg values

BB +16 kd 4secs 10Adr
Cr Bl +16 + DW nrg
Ir Bl +24 nrg
Ham KD 2sec lose Adr 6Ard

I understand why ppl want 6 sec of kd but, I prefer running this build cause a very high % of the time i am interupting and i do more dmg.

Dev Ham KD 2sec WK 17 sec 7Adr
Cr Bl +16 +DW nrg
He Bl +24 2sec KD 6Adr
Ir Bl +24 nrg

IDK i usually run it with shock, but even if you encapsulate both combo's with TF, yes i have run this, during time it takes to execute the first hammer attack, a good monk will be able to get a spell off. I saw it so enough, but very rarely can any monk spell, touch included, get off with the 2nd. More likely your are going to interupt them and they will be bashing there keyboard even more.

And if you do encapsulate both combos with TF you will be able execute the 2nd combo more than the first.

It's not about where weakness is good its about getting the +24 and KD from heavey.

you could subtitute BB for Dev and run Stag Bl plus the 2nd combo for a long combo, but i havent seen that at all.

And Wow could u combine Heavy Blow, with some ele skills. I am way new compaired to ya'll but I aint stupid. so give me some answers i'll check back in a fews hours, earlier if i get aweful pugs.

WOW DO I HATE HAMMER BASH

conches · Apr 08, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

i dont htink ne1 understands mor ethen 3 wordss in this thread

just rude · Apr 08, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by conches

i dont htink ne1 understands mor ethen 3 wordss in this thread

i thought it was pretty stright forward but ok...

HA=Heroes Audience or Tombs

bb or BB = Back Breacker idk what other hammer skill u could be confusing this with. Well that is if you knew this was about hammer skills.

Dev Ham= Devistating Hammer {l1337} skills srry 4 the confusion
SS gaunts= Stone Skin Gaunlets, srry again

Ir Bl=Irresistible Blow, sryy again

ppl= people, again srry

Cr BL= Crushing Blow, have u run a hammer ever?
He Bl= Heavy Blow, nooblet? WTF

encapsulate=to surround, is ur iq low

TF = Tiger Fury, Homer?!

additions should be here

after the word during in the first sentence after the 3 comma the should appear

the word combo should appeaper after 2nd appear in the 6th paragraph 2nd sentence.

there should be a period after enough, but if u actually pause with the comma like most english speakin ppl u wont need it.

wow if you dont know, I can't tell you how long i've been in scenes that talk more abstract than this and EVERY1 gets its or your dead.

GRAB A CLUE, We are way over your head

damaster275 · Apr 08, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

I completely understand what you've said. I've always run the devastating combo as I can usually pull it off quicker and I think BB + SS reduces the KD of BB to only 3 secs (Correct me if i'm wonrg) so u only get 5 secs of KD with BB combo.

Nightwish · Apr 08, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by damaster275

I completely understand what you've said. I've always run the devastating combo as I can usually pull it off quicker and I think BB + SS reduces the KD of BB to only 3 secs (Correct me if i'm wonrg) so u only get 5 secs of KD with BB combo.

Is what you said for real?? That SS Gauntlets will reduce the KD length of BB to only 3secs from original 4secs?

Metanoia · Apr 08, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I just tested that and no, it doesn't reduce the KD duration of BB.

Dollztempta · Apr 08, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

What about Staggering Blow (SB) and Earthshaker (ES) combo? Its like same as Devasting Hammer, 2 sec lower weakness, but Earthshaker kd's everyone near of you, isnt it brilliant?

Son of Urza · Apr 08, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Not really. The point of the hammer chain is to keep one target knocked down for a long time, and you can only get 1 attack in during a 3 second kd (2 with 33% attack speed boost). I personally do not like Backbreaker, but do not like Heavy Blow's "If" clause either, so I simply run Devestating Hammer+Hammer Bash for a nice, cheap unconditinal 6 second knockdown.

just rude · Apr 12, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Son of Urza

Not really. The point of the hammer chain is to keep one target knocked down for a long time, and you can only get 1 attack in during a 3 second kd (2 with 33% attack speed boost). I personally do not like Backbreaker, but do not like Heavy Blow's "If" clause either, so I simply run Devestating Hammer+Hammer Bash for a nice, cheap unconditinal 6 second knockdown.

I aSSume that's why most ppl don't like heavy blow, but if you knock them down they HAVE TO have weakness on them. Now, that can be removed if used on a war and he calls out for condition removal. Casters dont even flinch when they have weakness on then as it does not effect them in the least. I understand your reasoning completely but you have to realize that Dev. Ham. ALWAYS puts weakness on an opponent, if kd. The kd duration of a DH->HB combo is only 4 secs, not 6 DH 1sec HB 1sec SS +1 to each KD.

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Originally Posted by dollztempta

What about Staggering Blow (SB) and Earthshaker (ES) combo? Its like same as Devasting Hammer, 2 sec lower weakness, but Earthshaker kd's everyone near of you, isnt it brilliant?

your absolutely right SB+ES would do then same thing but then your bar would be overloaded, you would have to run 5 attacks instead of 4 to get the same dmg, maybe if you ran Aftr Shck at like a 10 you'd hurt some ppl. If you ran 4 skills you would have to drop IB if you want the DW from crushing. However, its most unlikely ppl are ADJACENT to you, lots will be near you.

the SS gaunts add 1 sec of dmg to ANY kd(MAX 3secs) so sadly BB is unaffected, but it does work for shock

pls run heavy 3rd because a good monk will get a spell of by the time you get to heavy blow if you don't knock him right back down.

WOOT WOOT, Obviously me being new and all I didn't invent this combo but i use it alot and it was rather gratifying to see WM Hammer running this exact combo, it was almost like being there. Dev ham->crushin->then you KNOW heavey is coming->IB, with shock sprinkled in so nicely. Just a pleasure.

ty for responding